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OctoShop III


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The third Octoshop is over, and thanks to all participants it was a great success. Everyone who wanted to talk did so to their heart's content, and everyone who wanted to interrupt and harass did so till they could do no more. Much was learned, and many doors opened.
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Special thanks to Tony Sudbery for saying yes to my suggestion that the next one should be held in York, and especially to Chris Barton without whom the participants would have ended up milling around outside with no place to talk, sleep, or eat.

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Suggestion: henceforth this page will link to any material on the division algebras and other exceptional and/or special mathematical structures. Send me suggestions. While I'm at it, re the problem of nested 6th roots of unity:
If x and y are unit octonions, z = xy*, u3 = z, and v3 = x,
then the octonion x,y-product ((Ax)(y*B))
can be written (modulo some G2 transformation) as
G-1[G[A]G[B]] where

G[A] = (v*u2v)(v*Av)(v*uv).

This is a double nesting, so presumably it requires 2 more nestings to do all of SO(8) than to do G2 alone - conjecture at this point.

Note: it was suggested that a 7 deep nesting was required to get all of SO(8). At
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CayleyNumber.html
it is claimed (probably from a Conway reference) that a 7 deep one sided nesting is required.

Geoffrey Dixon

My technical pages:
Division Algebras,
Lie Algebras,
Lie Groups,
Spinors and Lattices


This page updated:
18 Novemebr 2002


Those attending (Tony Smith attended
in spirit, which he sent to all participants
in the form of a CD)::

  • Tony Sudbery
    as2@york.ac.uk
  • Geoffrey Dixon
    gdixon@7stones.com
    dixon@alumni.cs.umb.edu
  • Tevian Dray
    tevian@math.orst.edu
  • Corinne Manogue
    corinne@physics.orst.edu
  • Pertti Lounesto
    Pertti.Lounesto@hit.fi
  • Tony Smith
    tsmith@innerx.net
  • Chris Barton
    Chris.Barton@bigfoot.com
  • Shahn Majid
    S.Majid@qmw.ac.uk
  • J.E.Mebius
    j.e.mebius@twi.tudelft.nl
  • Ian Porteous
    porteous@liverpool.ac.uk
  • Paul Hammond
    p.r.hammond@central.susx.ac.uk
  • Nicholas Jackson nicholas@maths.warwick.ac.uk
  • Gisele Ducati
    ducati@ime.unicamp.br
  • Rolf Dahm
    dahm@mail.Uni-Mainz.DE
  • Mariano Santander
    santander@fta.uva.es

pdf of 1999 paper:
Algebraic Spinor Reduction Yields the Standard Symmetry and Family Structure

pdf of 2000 paper (modified 7 September 2000):
Tensored Division Algebras: Resolutions of the Identity and Particle Physics

pdf of 2002 paper on leptoQuark family replication:
Division Algebras: Family Replication

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